Another reason I like having guns

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Through my new job, I've had the opportunity to listen to many recorded 911 calls, and I've noticed that police response times are often for shit. I've heard several instances of people calling 911, saying that someone is being severly beaten in front of them, and up to 1 hour later there are still no police. I was alsp perplexed as to why people kept calling 911 to report shootings, when in fact there was no one shot...turns out that if you call from a shitty neighborhood, the police will take their sweet ass time to show up unless you say it's a shooting, so people routinely call to report non existent "shootings."

Anyway, upon hearing these things, I couldn't help but think what a false sense of security people have thinking they can rely on 911 to save them. While guns certainly can give you a false sense of security as well, at least I can rely on them for what they're worth, unlike the police who may or may not show up in time.

[motivez]

I agree, I think people shouldn't rely on someone that could be a few miles away to completely ensure their safety and security. Take things into your own hands and make sure you have what you need to protect yourself in the case that some life threatening situation arises.

It's kind of scary to think that police wouldn't help someone as soon as humanly possible simply becaused they lived in a rough area though.. seems like there could be some kind of lawsuit against action like that.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by motivez

It's kind of scary to think that police wouldn't help someone as soon as humanly possible simply becaused they lived in a rough area though.. seems like there could be some kind of lawsuit against action like that.

Maybe, but how would you ever prove it? And even if they did prove it, are the police necessarily culpable? I mean, the police have limited resources, so they could argue that sending resources to more urgent calls is the justifiable thing to do.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Anyway, upon hearing these things, I couldn't help but think what a false sense of security people have thinking they can rely on 911 to save them. While guns certainly can give you a false sense of security as well, at least I can rely on them for what they're worth, unlike the police who may or may not show up in time.

The problem is that guns may help, but it is possible they will also hinder. If the person with the weapon is trained, and does not try to do anything stupid (like pull a gun, when they already have one pointed at them) then they may be put to good use.

[Thorgrim]

Some people need to realize that weapon technology is advancing pretty rapidly, and eventually a weapon will developed that will stop a man in his tracks just as effectively as a .45, but be completely non-lethal

As someone who worked in the DA's office, its a terrible thing to say, but almost all of those people had it coming to them one way or another, meaning they could have easily gotten a restraining order or protected themselves before an incident, or any number of things, sometimes they even instigated with a known felon

Gangs going around shooting random people or beating random people is almost non-existant, which is why I've walked alone through North Philadelphia on days and nights...its pretty easy, if you know you're going to go somewhere dangerous, dress plain and don't carry a wallet, watch, cellphone, etc

I used to have a keycard holder with my drivers ID, and a key to my place, and 10 bucks and 2 subway tokens, in how many times I was there, I walked by several guys I knew were gang members, and was only hassled a few times over several years, and nothing ever happened to me...the biggest line they always use is "can you tell me the time...you got a watch or cellphone?" and then if you do, they rob you, i never did...so...I'd go "No i just got the key to my grandmas house and a subway token" and they always let me go, never lost that 10 dollars, and the "confrontations" were few and far between

by far, beggers were much worse, because everyone wanted a different line...you tell one guy "listen i dont have any change" and he'd flip out going "man i know you do, just dont lie to me, just tell me you don't want to give it to me" and id tell another guy "listen, i need it" and he'd flip and say "look how dirty my clothes are and you're saying you need the money more than me?"

yeah...i know, im rambling, but i hoped someone enjoyed my story

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Anyway, upon hearing these things, I couldn't help but think what a false sense of security people have thinking they can rely on 911 to save them. While guns certainly can give you a false sense of security as well, at least I can rely on them for what they're worth, unlike the police who may or may not show up in time.

i'm not allowed to carry in boston

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

i'm not allowed to carry in boston

this isn't even necessarily about carrying.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Some people need to realize that weapon technology is advancing pretty rapidly, and eventually a weapon will developed that will stop a man in his tracks just as effectively as a .45, but be completely non-lethal

As someone who worked in the DA's office, its a terrible thing to say, but almost all of those people had it coming to them one way or another, meaning they could have easily gotten a restraining order or protected themselves before an incident, or any number of things, sometimes they even instigated with a known felon

Gangs going around shooting random people or beating random people is almost non-existant, which is why I've walked alone through North Philadelphia on days and nights...its pretty easy, if you know you're going to go somewhere dangerous, dress plain and don't carry a wallet, watch, cellphone, etc

I used to have a keycard holder with my drivers ID, and a key to my place, and 10 bucks and 2 subway tokens, in how many times I was there, I walked by several guys I knew were gang members, and was only hassled a few times over several years, and nothing ever happened to me...the biggest line they always use is "can you tell me the time...you got a watch or cellphone?" and then if you do, they rob you, i never did...so...I'd go "No i just got the key to my grandmas house and a subway token" and they always let me go, never lost that 10 dollars, and the "confrontations" were few and far between

by far, beggers were much worse, because everyone wanted a different line...you tell one guy "listen i dont have any change" and he'd flip out going "man i know you do, just dont lie to me, just tell me you don't want to give it to me" and id tell another guy "listen, i need it" and he'd flip and say "look how dirty my clothes are and you're saying you need the money more than me?"

yeah...i know, im rambling, but i hoped someone enjoyed my story

Although I partially sympathize (especially with the beggars, for crying out loud, let me go home in peace, please) I would argue that someone who would break the law by beating someone up or trying to hurt them isn't going to respect a restraining order either.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by thewise1

Although I partially sympathize (especially with the beggars, for crying out loud, let me go home in peace, please) I would argue that someone who would break the law by beating someone up or trying to hurt them isn't going to respect a restraining order either.

despite what someone would have you believe, Philly judges send those restraining order violators to jail...real jail...and its hard time, and everyone in Philly knows it

and to be honest, people who had fuckups with their restraining order would always say 'oh yeah this one time he punched a hole in my wall like a year ago' and thought nothing of it and stayed with the guy as a friend or girlfriend...they are almost asking for problems

[archangel003]

[Crazy]

It's sad that people feel they need to carry a gun to protect themselves. Truly, and I say this not to call people weak, I say this out of contempt for the state of America and the world for people to feel the need to arm themselves at all times for fear of getting ganked.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by Crazy

It's sad that people feel they need to carry a gun to protect themselves. Truly, and I say this not to call people weak, I say this out of contempt for the state of America and the world for people to feel the need to arm themselves at all times for fear of getting ganked.

What's worse is that people need to because a world without guns is a world full of criminals without fear.

But the fact is that crime exists and will ALWAYS exist, no matter the political idealogy being followed. Therefore, people need a means to protect themselves. And when I say that, I don't necessarily mean that everyone should have a gun. But if you have the ABILITY to have a gun, you are less likely to be assaulted, therefore you are better protected with the right than without the right.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

What's worse is that people need to because a world without guns is a world full of criminals without fear.

But the fact is that crime exists and will ALWAYS exist, no matter the political idealogy being followed. Therefore, people need a means to protect themselves. And when I say that, I don't necessarily mean that everyone should have a gun. But if you have the ABILITY to have a gun, you are less likely to be assaulted, therefore you are better protected with the right than without the right.

If that's true why don't all the criminals move in to less gun-friendly states in New England...why is Texas so crime-ridden?

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

If that's true why don't all the criminals move in to less gun-friendly states in New England...why is Texas so crime-ridden?

Texas had some bad gun laws until just recently. I heard a woman talk a few years ago who watched her entire family shot and killed in front of her in a restaurant by some guy. She said the thing that made her the maddest was that she left her gun in the car because that was the law.

I'll have to go back and find the graphs I saw, but it showed crime way higher the more gun control laws there were. One of the lowest crime rates in the country is in Kennesaw, GA... there's a law in that city where all home owners must own a gun. I'll never advocate legislation to FORCE people to own a gun, but considering their crime went from crippling to nearly non-existant within a year after that law, I think that speaks volumes.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Texas had some bad gun laws until just recently. I heard a woman talk a few years ago who watched her entire family shot and killed in front of her in a restaurant by some guy. She said the thing that made her the maddest was that she left her gun in the car because that was the law.

I'll have to go back and find the graphs I saw, but it showed crime way higher the more gun control laws there were. One of the lowest crime rates in the country is in Kennesaw, GA... there's a law in that city where all home owners must own a gun. I'll never advocate legislation to FORCE people to own a gun, but considering their crime went from crippling to nearly non-existant within a year after that law, I think that speaks volumes.

The only thing it speaks volumnes about is that strong tribal bounds that we formed in evolution thousands of years work even in Iraq, let alone America

Take a small city that's been bonded together for generations, and force them into a more civic mindset, and they'll protect their own

That would not work in a place like NYC

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

The only thing it speaks volumnes about is that strong tribal bounds that we formed in evolution thousands of years work even in Iraq, let alone America

Take a small city that's been bonded together for generations, and force them into a more civic mindset, and they'll protect their own

That would not work in a place like NYC

Kennessaw is a 'burb of Atlanta. I wouldn't call it small.

[TankRizzo]

Originally Posted by Crazy

It's sad that people feel they need to carry a gun to protect themselves. Truly, and I say this not to call people weak, I say this out of contempt for the state of America and the world for people to feel the need to arm themselves at all times for fear of getting ganked.

Is there any realestate available in this land you live in where there's no robbery, rape, home invasion etc?


What exactly is so offensive about a law abiding citizen carrying a firearm???

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

If that's true why don't all the criminals move in to less gun-friendly states in New England...why is Texas so crime-ridden?

I never bought the argument that there is any causation between carry laws and crime rates. In my experience, criminals are clueless, intoxicated, impulsive and act contrary to their own self interest. Given that, I find it very hard to believe that criminals will behave differently because a small percentage of the population might have a gun. After all, if they thought about what was best for them, they wouldn't be criminals in the first place or be using hard drugs (which are why many crimes are committed in the first place).

Maybe it would make a difference if the majority of the people carried guns, but even in states which have carry laws, most people don't. And as far as breaking into people's houses, that's a crazy thing to do, as far as the criminal's safety goes, regardless of whether there's a gun in the house. Such a person probably won't change his behavior no matter what happens.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by TankRizzo

Is there any realestate available in this land you live in where there's no robbery, rape, home invasion etc?


What exactly is so offensive about a law abiding citizen carrying a firearm???

Some of us who lived in the real ghetto find it offensive that people in gated communities that haven't had robberies in years are loaded up for a small regiment because they are worried that there are roaving bands of minorites out for a "home invasion"

Home invasion is the biggest bunch of BS ever, its statistically insignificant

[TankRizzo]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

If that's true why don't all the criminals move in to less gun-friendly states in New England...why is Texas so crime-ridden?

How about good ol' DC who's on a record murder spree? Their gun laws have done wonders!