real science has no part in global warming

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Don't look for reason in hatred

Good point!


Look what comes from the Boston Globe recently:



"I would like to say we're at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future."


No change in political climate - The Boston Globe




That very much the end of rational scientific debate. Your just defending mass murdering monsters to deny global warming!


And just for the record since I know I will be misrepresented if I don't post this! I do think we are in a period of global warming. I am skeptical of the extent of human industrial cause. And am skeptical of the extent we can alter the trend. This has nothing to do with any religious beliefs. And I am very skeptical of future projection models which the above author seems to think are equal to the physical and testimonial evidence of the holocaust! What a nasty hate driven insult!

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by 7960

I've posted more than one climatologist who agrees with that article but then you found another reason to discount them. So this time it's "he's not a climatologist" and last time it's "he's just one climatologist" and next time it's going to be "well they're not mainstream climatologists" ............ you know what you want to believe and you've found the scientists who say what you want to hear. That's exactly 180 degrees out from how science is supposed to work.

And btw, I can't seem to find any reference for Al Gore's degree in climatology. Can you link me to that?

He is one of the worlds most respected Science writers. I read some of his works long ago. His "Einstein's Universe" 1979 is a classic! Re-issued in 2005.
He is excellent at explaining both science and scientific principles to the layman. But it does not take in every case.......


Nigel Calder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Diamond Cross]

It doesn't matter, if he doesn't have a degree he has no credibility. Credible people have degrees or they don't know that they're talking about.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Then what does it matter if we're keeping it clean because of the possibility of global warming or the possilbility that comets are attracted to dirty planets? And yes, it is about taking care of our environment.

Because CO2 is as 'dirty' as O2 or N2. It's not really a pollutant. Except in the case of the possibly fake global warming issue.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

It doesn't matter, if he doesn't have a degree he has no credibility. Credible people have degrees or they don't know that they're talking about.

Then not one poster on this board has any credibility on this issue no matter who they quote or study or interview. DELETE all environment threads........

[7960]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

He is one of the worlds most respected Science writers. I read some of his works long ago. His "Einstein's Universe" 1979 is a classic! Re-issued in 2005.
He is excellent at explaining both science and scientific principles to the layman. But it does not take in every case.......


Nigel Calder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, why did you post this? Scrum said he can't find where Calder is a climatologist......... neither is Gore but people follow his message. I was replying to his message to point out

...you don't have to be a climatologist to write about climatology
...it appears he's already made up his mind on the subject and will only listen to people he wants

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 7960

I've posted more than one climatologist who agrees with that article but then you found another reason to discount them.

Pretty sure the ones you've posted have all been bankrolled by the energy companies.

I'd like to see a list of independent climatologists with no ties to oil and energy companies who have actually done published, peer reviewed scientific research and come to a different conclusion.

Ready? Go!

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

Pretty sure the ones you've posted have all been bankrolled by the energy companies.

I'd like to see a list of independent climatologists with no ties to oil and energy companies who have actually done published, peer reviewed scientific research and come to a different conclusion.

Ready? Go!

List of scientists opposing global warming consensus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by 7960

List of scientists opposing global warming consensus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many of the climatologists at The Weather Channel and on our news...you know the ones that you listen to to get the weather...say they think global warming is bogus.

[mididoctors]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Al Gore is one that comes to mind.

this is a problem.. do people reject global warming because Al gore says its true rather than actually look at the issue... al gore should have enlisted a GOP figure to support him in the film IMO.. basically because of the bipolar US political scene demands it..


the world is full of fucking idiots


....at the current rate human kind will burn more coal for electricity production in the next decade than in all previous history up till now.. that appears to be the case

thats a staggering statement

Boris
London

[Diamond Cross]

Or tap into methane hydrates.

[7960]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Many of the climatologists at The Weather Channel and on our news...you know the ones that you listen to to get the weather...say they think global warming is bogus.

he wanted a list, there's a list

want another list?

[motivez]

So am I to take it that you do not have a link to published research in a peer reviewed scientific journal who disputes global warming by a climatologist without ties to oil or energy companies?

The links I've followed on that wikipedia entry so far have been less than impressive... more interviews, quotes, etc.. less published research. Some of them, like Veizer have been thoroughly debunked already because of questionable methodology.. others, like Seitz still don't even accept that we were damaging the Ozone with CFC's.. Singer is in the same boat as Seitz, except he doesn't believe second hand smoke has any connection to lung cancer, and that ultraviolet light isn't linked with skin cancer..

A lot of them seem to have connections to conservative think tanks in DC (ie: Marshall institute), so I'll add another caveat to the "No ties to energy companies" -- Not affiliated with conservative or liberal political organizations either.

I'm asking you for some information that you've actually looked at and believe to be accurate meeting the conditions, not something you found thanks to two seconds and "the Google" ..anyone can google and find a list, I want something you actually have read and believe and base your opinion on.

If you don't think it's real, or think that the science behind it is bunk, surely you've actually done some research into the subject to find credible evidence by credible, independent scientists which are contrary to the beliefs of the majority and can find what you've read again?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Good point!


Look what comes from the Boston Globe recently:



"I would like to say we're at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future."


No change in political climate - The Boston Globe

What a nasty hate driven insult!

Since when does a writer for the Boston Globe represent the scientific community?

Why is it that when one conservative is picked out, such as Sean Hannity, its unfair to label all conservatives as such, yet its perfectly fine for anecdotal comments from a writer i've never heard of...

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And global warming is being affected by????? Pollution. So stop avoiding...answer the questions.

Co2 isnt pollution though.

[Kytro]

I am actually quite surprised that people expect all scientists to agree on exactly what is happening and it's causes. Considering that our knowledge of weather systems is somewhat limited I would be worried if there was not opposing opinions.

There seems to be a fairly large amount of support for the concept of human driven global warming. There is also some dissent. Currently I am not aware of any studies that can discount man made global warming.

The vast majority of peer-reviewed studies do in fact support the concept of man made global warming.

There is some bias. Often scientists will not challenge the existing belief on global warming and will be quick to dismiss alternatives.

Those who tend to point to this bias thinks this lends credibility to opposing claims and usually are guilty of bias themselves, also point to economic costs associated with changing behavior (this has nothing to do with the science)

[7960]

I love this article

Henry: Why global warming should be flatly denied - The MetroWest Daily News

[Diamond Cross]

So the reason to deny global warming is because they're experts with PH'Ds who's had umpteen million years of experience in their fields and know more than the average Joe who knows only basic kindergarten and high school earth science?

So the real reason is because they know more than you (general) and you hate authority.

How scientific and credible.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

If you're going to dispute the sciencific claims in his article, you'll have to provide the scientific proof of such.

He presents no data to say the Antarctica has cooled. All that is shown is a an apparent assumption based on the increase in ice mass.

"While sea-ice has diminished in the Arctic since 1978, it has grown by 8% in the Southern Ocean. So one awkward question you can ask, when you’re forking out those extra taxes for climate change, is “Why is east Antarctica getting colder?” "

there is a quick googled link though if you like
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/About_An...Qs/faq_02.html

[ballz2wallz]

Linky no worky.