Originally Posted by ballz2wallz I would like to view myself as a man of honor. I would like to view myself as a man of conviction. I would like to view myself as a man who stands firm in what he believes, and will not waiver in the face of ...
02-13-2007, 04:43 PM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz 
ok I am going to shoot your wife and kids instead..(or significant others) what say you now? the point of the thought experiment is to test ones own priori and bias.. it requires one to surrender ones self to a imaginative scenario not avoid confronting the belief? the confrontation is "what do i really believe" My impression is some people are uncomfortable thinking about such things...which is ok but it still maybe worth doing Boris London | ||||
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02-13-2007, 04:52 PM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by mididoctors I would lie to save my wife and kids, if it was something as simple as this.
I really believe that global warming is not an issue. That's what I really, truly believe. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 04:59 PM
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| Last Starfighter  Independent Northern California
| So what would it take to change your mind? If you say proof, what would constitute proof? There's reams and reams and reams of proof. There is such a thing as being too crtical as well. I truly believe global warming is happening. The only question in my mind whether it's human influenced, or not, or both. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 05:02 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat  Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz that's a problem because it will completely close you off to anything that might otherwise show the contrary.
i.e. other evidence shown you will read with a skeptical mind, ignoring points that are valid and looking for ways to discredit the information. This mentality is what keeps people from advancing as much as we can in all aspects of life. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 05:02 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross There is plenty of 'proof' that points in both directions.
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02-13-2007, 05:04 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Pro Street The only reason I believe it is because there just isn't the evidence to suggest otherwise. I can just as easily believe something else when the evidence presents itself.
There is absolutely no problem in my stance on this issue. On the contrary, I say the people with the problems are those that accept any highly politicized bandwagon based on insufficient data and insufficient sources. THOSE are the people with real problems. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 05:07 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| I've just provided significant data and 'proof' that the earth is not in fact warming like people claim. These are from credible scientists who study this for a living. And yet, you refuse to accept anything they say? I refuse to jump on the bandwagon for the main reason that nothing whatsoever has been proven. That is all. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 05:08 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz I have seen absolutly no evidence that shows any kind on agenda by the many scientists saying global warming is real and humans are contributing.
I have seen tons of evidence that shows an agenda for the few people who disagree. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 05:11 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz The bandwagon is the people denying GW.
 It's cool to say these thousand scientists are wrong and the few are correct, even though they are payed for by people with an agenda to cast doubt on it. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 05:18 PM
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| Member Green Party
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
if you got it wrong your wife dies whether you lie or not..that is the premise... but i accept your answer that you truly believe global warming is not an issue right bookmarked Boris London | ||||
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02-13-2007, 05:18 PM
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| Last Starfighter Independent Northern California
| Logic dictates the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few. Or the one. Therefore, global warming is real. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 05:31 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross See, this is all you need to know that global warming is real; a simple cliche.
That's not good enough for me. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 06:07 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz The only politicized conclusions I have EVER seen come from those that deny GW.
If you don't have any confidence in science, you cannot use it to support your own assertions. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 06:08 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Pro Street I've just shown you a few articles from today. What's wrong with those
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02-13-2007, 06:18 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz that proponents of GW are politically biased or motivated? where?
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02-13-2007, 06:25 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Pro Street That global warming skeptics are scientific.
Global warming is only an issue to begin with because it is politicized. Global warming didn't just pop up out of nowhere. It's ONLY known because of how much the non-scientific community has focused on it. It's impossible for you to suggest that the skeptics are the only ones that politicize. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 06:52 PM
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| Baka  Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
Some of them are, yes. The problem is they say "A" is true for reason "X". Then a global warming supporter will say, "X" does correlate to "A" and "B" can still be true and so forth and so on. It isn't like I can outside and determine if global warming is occurring or not. The natural tendency of people is to choose evidence that supports the conclusions they already arrived at. Also when a large number of other people believe the same thing it validates the viewpoint in their mind (just look at religion). Science shouldn't care about "how many people", but "what does the data say". Neither the skeptical or the majority have a "better" claim due to the position of majority or minority. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 07:10 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Kytro Yes, that is indeed the problem.
The problem is that global warming didn't become an issue until people decided they wanted to believe it (for what reason I don't know) and have no cooked up scientific 'data' to support their belief. You can find all sorts of things to correlate with pretty much anything you want, as you said. Had global warming not been politicized and created, we'd be living our normal lives as if nothing was wrong. In 50 yrs we'll still be living our normal lives, enjoying the weather that each year brings us, just as we always have done in the past and we will continue to do in the future. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 07:16 PM
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| Baka Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz The reason would be the media, and some scientists worried about the impact.
I don't think much can be done in the current political and economic climate, assuming global warming is caused by people. It is like trying to get cooler by turning the heater down a notch instead of off altogether. | ||||
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02-13-2007, 07:19 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Kytro Yes, the media has only worsened it. It's all part of the politicization process. That whole sensationalism thing.
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