real science has no part in global warming

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Yes, the media has only worsened it. It's all part of the politicization process. That whole sensationalism thing.

Some scientists think our survival depends on moving to the moon.

Indeed, my problem is that data has been interpreted differently. In order to be convinced one way or another, I really need to understand what people are talking about, and that is nearly impossible because I don't have the time or inclination to learn about climate science.

In all honesty I am fairly sure people can work out problems when they have to.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Logic dictates the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few.

Or the one.

Therefore, global warming is real.

Now we are quoting Star Trek?


I feel some global warming Gas coming on.....

[Diamond Cross]

It was a joke. Some people have no sense of humor.

And some people wouldn't accept global warming no matter what the circumstances, no matter how much evidence there'd be to support it.

[lew]

global warming

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by lew

global warming

Don't start that up again.


edit - oh and....

WA heat spreading south
Tom Saunders, Tue 17:52 EDT

Daytime temperatures across much of inland WA continue to climb well above 40 degrees. Marble Bar reached 48 degrees on Tuesday, 10 above average and its hottest February day for at least 7 years. It was also the town’s 38th day in a row over 40. The scorching heat is due to a lingering airmass over the region that has been baking over the past few weeks under relentless sunshine. The airmass will remain over the region for at least the rest of the week, keeping daytime highs well over 40 degrees. Northerly winds will develop over southern WA on Wednesday which will spread the hot airmass south. Cooler southerly winds along the west coast will spare Perth from the heat. The airmass will gradually filter through SA during the next few days with Adelaide likely to reach close to 40 degrees during the weekend.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by lew

global warming

yeah, it's called a winter snowstorm.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by lew

global warming

logic > you

(clue: what causes severe snowstorms?)

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

(clue: what causes severe snowstorms?)

Liberals?


No wait, Atheists.

[Diamond Cross]

liberal atheists.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Liberals?


No wait, Atheists.

God is proving those pesky global warming scientists wrong.

He only needs to apply the snowstorm on a local level rather than global level as that is all it takes to convince people.

[Diamond Cross]

Snowstorms happen when a mass of very cold air moves away from the polar regions. When it collides with a warm air mass, the warm air rises quickly and the cold air cuts underneath it. This causes a huge cloud bank to form, leading to heavy snowfall. Snow will only fall from the cloud if the temperature of the air between the bottom of the cloud and the ground is below 40ºF. A higher temperature will cause the snowflakes to melt as they fall through the air, turning them into rain or sleet.


Snowflakes form when ice crystals collide in a cloud and stick together. Every snowflake has six sides, and no two snowflakes that fall are exactly alike. Their varying shapes are a result of the different weather conditions in which they are produced. Needle and rod shapes are formed by cold air, while warmer air results to more complicated patterns.
Some scientists think that cold winters are caused in part by changes in ocean surface temperatures. As winds move over continents, they are influenced by complex interactions between the oceans and the atmosphere. El Nino, a warm ocean current, is also pointed to as the cause of large-scale oceanic and atmospheric changes.

Link:

The Causes - Snowstorms - Forces of Nature

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

liberal atheists.

The answer was right in front of me.

[Diamond Cross]

Didn't see your post.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

(clue: what causes severe snowstorms?)

Hmmm...I'll bite. Warming?

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

And some people wouldn't accept global warming no matter what the circumstances, no matter how much evidence there'd be to support it.

Yes, there will always be a few out there that just resist anything and everything. I, however, as a scientist am not one of them.

If there were significant science to prove global warming, it wouldn't be the controversy that it is. Trust me.

[thatguyoverthere]

This thread is insane. I'm glad there are a few rational people here.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

There is plenty of 'proof' that points in both directions.

No. No, there isn't.

No matter how many articles you cut and paste, it doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of scientists in multiple fields of environmental reasearch that is both privately and publicly financed in countries all around the world say that man is contributing to global warming.

Period.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

When I say that this 'global warming thing' is not an issue, I'm saying that I think it's blown way out of proportion, I think it's too politicized, and I don't believe man has control over it. That's what I'm saying. Whether or not the earth is warming ever so slightly over hundreds of years is frankly unimportant to me. If it happens, it happens. We still live our lives.

I accept that your mind is completely closed, and that you have found your position and will stick with it no matter how many facts are introduced. The Colbert quote above was dead on.

The truth is: Man does have control over it. Never in the history of the Earth have there been over 6 billion people. Never in the history of the Earth has there been a creature like man introducing so much pollution into the environment on such tremendous levels.

If you don't think that all the vehicles and factories that we use and all the trash that we produce has any effect on the environment, I have to question your reasoning. I don't know how you possibly could come to that conclusion. Both science and common sense tell one otherwise.

And we won't all be living our lives! That's ridiculous. People are dying because of droughts and floods because of weather patterns that are being disrupted by the effects of global warming.

If you want further proof on how silly this whole argument is, just look up on this thread. Anyone trying to argue that because there are severe snowstorms that somehow this is proof that global warming isn't happening is just making themselves look foolish. Yes, with climate change, there are extremes of weather on both ends. This is basic stuff.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

No matter how many articles you cut and paste, it doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of scientists in multiple fields of environmental reasearch that is both privately and publicly financed in countries all around the world say that man is contributing to global warming.

Purely from the heart, I like that.

Unfortunately, for you, the loudest scienstist don't necessarily mean they are the overwhelming majority. Unfortunately for you, my exposure to scientists far exceeds your exposure. Unfortunately for you, you are in no position to tell me about science.

My posting of articles are not just 'articles', they are scientific studies. But why does that not matter? Because it's not me who's close-minded, it's you. You just don't want to look at any other science that refutes global warming, because it doesn't go along with you ideas. Try reading science and not editorials.

I'm sorry, but you're picking on the wrong person.

[thatguyoverthere]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

If there were significant science to prove global warming, it wouldn't be the controversy that it is. Trust me.

There IS significant science that proves global warming! There is more science proving global warming than science that disproves it, by a wide and significant margin.

It's a controversy because oil companies feel that their profits are being threatened by tighter environmental regulations. Then they made an active effort to attack the science and try and create doubt in the public mind.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

There IS significant science that proves global warming! There is more science proving global warming than science that disproves it, by a wide and significant margin.

NO, my friend. There is a big difference from science that proves (suggests is a better word) global warming in a closed system, not in the whole system. As I've pointed out before, there are ALWAYS differences between an in vivo and in vitro study, even though all our studies begin with an in vitro experiment. Why do clinical trials fail so often in drug studies? Because nobody can predict what happens in the real situation. It is impossible for us to study what really happens in the atmosphere in the entirety of the system, and therefore we cannot predict with few chemical reaction on the ground what really happens. Most of what you claim as proof is nothing but theory. And far too many scientists disagree with those theories.

It's a controversy because oil companies feel that their profits are being threatened by tighter environmental regulations. Then they made an active effort to attack the science and try and create doubt in the public mind.

The Indian glaciologist and professor at Colorado that I posted articles from just YESTERDAY have zero to do with oil companies.